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classylady
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10/20/07 04:21 PM
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http://www.sharecg.com/v/16982/poser/A3-Outfit

 

I don't have a problem with it but I'll bet others do. there should be some kind of warning.???????Cool

Also I checked out a texture tutorial and it lead me straight to a nude image now textures or  tutorial.



classylady/Carolyn


adp__
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10/20/07 04:51 PM
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What is wrong with this? It's 2007, time to accept that the biggest part of the world has no problem with naked humans. My private meaning: If someone has a problem with artistic nudity this someone should visit a psychiater. ASAP.



Kimber89
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10/20/07 05:10 PM
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I was a bit put off by that as well classylady.

There should be mature content warnings & some thumbnail guidelines put in place.

While I have no major problems with nudity, this is an American site that's under American laws/jurisdiction & therefore ShareCG will have to comply with US restrictions or face a lawsuit. The international members will just have to deal with that fact.





MatrixWorkz
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10/20/07 06:08 PM
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Lawsuit for what? Nudity isn't against any US internet Laws that I know of. Nudity does not equal P.o.r.n. for cryin' out loud! But apparently that word is censored here.

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Albert Einstein



Kimber89
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10/20/07 06:20 PM
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Heh, we're talking about the USA, people here sue over anything & everything. All it takes is for someone to be morally offended or catch their kiddies on the internet seeing a boob or two to get the court ball rolling.....things that seem trivial in other countries are or can be a big deal here.

In any case, mature content filters would be a good idea as many view from work & the ever protective parents trying to keep their kiddies from seeing a big boobed nude Vicky all nipped out.....:/





MatrixWorkz
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10/20/07 07:00 PM
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I repeat. There are no laws against internet nudity in the USA.  People sue for spilling hot McDonalds coffee in their own laps here. That doesn't make hot coffee illegal though.

That being said, I don't have anything against a nudity filter being implemented here. The problem is people will still turn that flag off just like they do over at Renderosity and still get offended because of the results of their own actions. 



It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Albert Einstein


Kimber89
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10/20/07 07:13 PM
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And your point about the coffee? No laws against hot coffee either & that lawsuit caused McDees to post hot coffee warnings so they wouldn't be sued again. :/

Just because there are no laws doesn't mean someone won't take the issue to court, that's how most laws come into being anyway. 

Other 3D sites such as Daz & Rendo cover their butts (so to speak) with the nudity issue to prevent possible lawsuits. Daz allows no nudity in their store & gallery, Rendo has filters, thumb requirements, & child/child-like appearance nudity is forbidden.





MatrixWorkz
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10/20/07 07:50 PM
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My point is people will sue for anything even if it was caused by their own actions or stupidity. You can only do so much to protect yourself from other peoples actions and still you can get sued. The only absolute protection against being sued is to stay in your own house and do nothing in public. I used the McDee's example because it's a perfect example of someone doing something stupid and suing over it.

I mean, come on! Have you read some of the warning labels in America lately? Warning labels on electronics saying don't use this item in the shower because it might cause electrocution? How stupid do you have to be to need that warning? There are whole websites dedicated to stupid warning labels.

In anycase, I already said I don't have a problem with filters being implemented. I just don't think it'll stop people from finding offense from something on the website.

That's not the only problem I see with starting down the filter path. Once you add a filter like Renderosity and DAZ have added, then you have to get into the whole "What constitutes Nudity" argument!

There's not a week that goes by that someone at Renderosity finds a new nipple showing through a clothing item that's semi-tranparent or revealing or uses a displacement map that shows the outline of the nipple and people get bent out of shape. Rendo now wants you to flag items for nudity if it looks like there's the appearance of pubic hair showing sticking out from an article of clothing, even if that's not what it is. Where does it stop?

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Albert Einstein


Kimber89
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10/20/07 08:11 PM
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I do understand what you're saying Matrix, I do & I also think Rendo has taken it to the extreme....like really ridiculusly extreme. >_<

Nude is nude to me, no clothes like the day you were born. LOL 

That's where the definition should end at being naked, not nips poking through a bikini top or camel-toe. Going that far is just plain stupid & paranoid. 





classylady
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10/21/07 12:18 AM
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I just asked a simple question I don't have a problem with it, yet what if I had my grandkids here and one happened to be looking over my shoulder when viewing an item, or the young mothers here say one of their small children just happened by the monitor.

Here in the states Kimber and others are right they sue over anything you don't have to have a reason, I only brought it up to help the site from becoming another possible victim. There are nudity and violence warnings on 95% of all sites  Geesh the world may not see anything wrong with it but it only takes one child seeing some of these thumbs to cause problems. I brought it up only to help protect the site.  No other reason.  It maybe acceptable in other countries but you have to have some type of guidelines being this site is in the USA legal  or not that isn't the point. The point is  where does one draw the line, actually this should be common sense and common courtesty to others from each member when posting a thumb. very simple don't you think. or when they upload an image simply don't post a thumb nail.

 regardless of legalities has nothing to do with my question, like I said before, it doesn't bother me but it only takes 1 person  posting nudity then when some others see it , it'll end up with more and more and more if you don't want to protect this site thats your business.  Yet as time goes on it will happen.  So since this site is young yet don't you think it would be best to implement something. I don't have the answer just thought someone in the higher ups may take it as food for thought.

Nothing more, nothing less

  

 

 

 

 



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Beatrice
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10/21/07 12:55 AM
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I agree with classy lady on this. lets not go down all the nudity arguments here agian. Lets just accept that there is a reason why Rendo and 3DC and DAz do not allow nudity and a lot of that has to do with them being a commercial site. This is a commercial site and I think it should follow their lead. This may not be popular but it is the "safe" thing to do.

A large number of people here advertise their downloads at Rende and DAZ and 3DC and other sites that do not allow nudity so what's the difference?  

 





adp__
(Newbie)
10/21/07 08:15 AM
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You wrote: "I just asked a simple question I don't have a problem with it, yet what if I had my grandkids here and one happened to be looking over my shoulder when viewing an item, or the young mothers here say one of their small children just happened by the monitor."

Most US citizen I heared talking about this say: "I don't have a problem with it".

Something I can't understand. If your government enact laws you don't agree, don't elect them. Vote for somebody else. It's easy, trust me :)

Kids should be familiar with breasts and nipples from the first day they live. Hopefully this is true for US kids, too.

If your grandkid has a chance to look over your shoulder, make sure there is nothing to see. It is ---> YOUR responsibility. If it happend accidently, talk with the kids about what they see. Tell them WHY YOU look on this "bad things" and they better don't.

 





classylady
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10/21/07 01:33 PM
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If your grandkid has a chance to look over your shoulder, make sure there is nothing to see. It is ---> YOUR responsibility. If it happend accidently, talk with the kids about what they see. Tell them WHY YOU look on this "bad things" and they better don't.

 

My grandkids are no where near where I live, it was only an example

Your reading to much into this that is not there, I didn't start this thread to cause your reactions you don't post anything  that is nudity. As I said before this is food for thought for the higher ups to discuss.



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classylady
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10/21/07 01:40 PM
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I agree let's don't go down the long nasty road of what is and what isn't lets just let the higher ups come up with some type of gruidlines, sooner or later they will have to make a decision.  My intention was to bring it to their attention what they decide is up to them 

But your right this is a commercial site and it should follow suit with the larger sites.Smile



classylady


cgart101
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10/21/07 02:09 PM
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This whole thread really pisses me off! The work shown on this site is ART!! and not pornography! Since when is it up to anyone to censor ART. There are lots of art sites on the web, including the many major museums, that feature nude art. If you'd like to see one example of nude art on the web surf to the 'Images of Eyes Galery' at http://www.imagesofeyes.com/nudes/entry2.htm ... I'm sure there are lots more. My point is that nudity and art have been synonomus since the Ancient Greeks .... I'd hate to see us go back to the Dark Ages, and I hope that this ends this childish discussion. Also, just becuase this is Computer Generated Art doesn't make less worthy than any other form of art. Amen.



Beatrice
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10/21/07 03:43 PM
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Whatever else this is it is a site that is out to make money. That means it has to abide by some rules. what would be wrong with saying no nudity in whatever image is used as the thumbnail.

Take this argument to Rendo or DAZ or 3DC and see how far it gets you.





cgart101
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10/21/07 03:49 PM
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Your thought about thumbnails may have some merit ... but, the site I referenced is endemic of the many web art galleries who are also in busines to make money.  I don't get your logic?



MatrixWorkz
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10/21/07 03:53 PM
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No offense ladies, but this site is not selling anything except for adspace. That's as commercial as it gets. Just where are these mysterious Rules you're speaking of? I'm not aware of any rules anywhere that state a business site on the web can not contain nudity!

I'd also like to see that ShareCG DOES NOT follow suit and tag along down the prudish trail that Renderosity, 3DC and DAZ have gone down just to suit some prudish sense of morality about nudity. I don't have anything nude in my portfolio but I find the rising level of histeria in this thread regarding nudity to be disturbing in and of itself.

No, I don't want it to get pornographic, but nudity is not immoral no matter what your parish priests may say. We come into this world nakkid and if we're blessed we actually get to spend time while we're here in that natural and very healthy state.

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Albert Einstein


adp__
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10/21/07 05:24 PM
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"Lets just accept that there is a reason why Rendo and 3DC and DAz do not allow nudity and a lot of that has to do with them being a commercial site."

 

Accepting this means to accept something is wrong with naked humans.





Beatrice
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10/21/07 05:37 PM
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You see the problem is everyone has different ideas of what is nudity and what is pornography and that's why places like Rendo and 3DC and DAZ have the rules they have.

If sharecg is going to sell advertising space then they may well have to react to what the advertisers expect as well. I don't know what that may well be. but I am just saying that I think a site like this has to be aware that it might be sensible not to have nude thumbnails.





Kimber89
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10/21/07 06:34 PM
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"No, I don't want it to get pornographic, but nudity is not immoral no matter what your parish priests may say. We come into this world nakkid and if we're blessed we actually get to spend time while we're here in that natural and very healthy state."

It may not be immoral but it doesn't scream professional in a business sense.

If this site wishes to attract higher paying ad clients, ShareCG will have to (or should) put nudity restrictions on thumbs in order to appear more business professional friendly. Total artistic freedom does not apply in this circumstance, it does apply on your own sites depending on your website host.

How soon do you think this site would last if the person, whom has that fetish harness here, posted Laura in her normal young teen state nude in that harness? Luckily, that person morphed her into an older look & used a "bodysuit" to cover her parts, so there is no issue BUT what if others in the future are not so careful? There ARE laws that forbid child/minor images that are suggestive/nude/sexual imagery, this includes 3D images. Aiko may be an anime figure but with certain characters, she looks like a child.

Argue til the cows come home for & against nudity, fact is there has to be a line that makes both sides happy & that will appeal to advertisers, not scare them off thinking they hit Renderotica instead.......





adp__
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10/21/07 07:58 PM
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Whatever is said about nudity, nobody seems to know a good reason why a nudity flag is need. I mean: A real reason why artistic nudity is bad. This bushwa about a few companies with eccentric morality isn't a reason.

We don't talk about BDSM or whatever (can't believe that this is mentioned while talking about simple innocent nudity). 





ron0946
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10/21/07 09:12 PM
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Whether a site is in it for the money or not makes no difference to me...What does make a difference is my grandkids come over be looking over my shoulder, I don't want them seeing boobies and beaver floating around. To me nothing wrong with nudity. like the one poster put a body suit on the harness outfit thats cool. anyone can do that and not take away from the promo image.

 





classylady
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10/21/07 09:14 PM
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""""I agree let's don't go down the long nasty road of what is and what isn't lets just let the higher ups come up with some type of guidlines, sooner or later they will have to make a decision.  My intention was to bring it to their attention what they decide is up to them""""

Quoting my on quote 

Obviously some of the men can't read this, nothing was said about going back to dark ages,no one said this site is or could be a [censored] site either, no one said nudity was not part of art

 

READ MY QUOTE AND CLOSE THIS THREAD ENOUGH HAS BEEN SAID THIS IS GOING NO WHERE ITS UP TO ADMIN BOTTOM LINE NUFF SAIDYell



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adp__
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10/21/07 09:30 PM
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If kids are around you are the one that have to take care. Not this site. Simple talk to the kids about those things if needed. Naked boobs and nipples are something kids are familiar with from their first day on earth. But perhaps you may not find a good declaration why naked humans are "evil". So I understand that you cry for a nudity flag.



classylady
(Stranger)
10/21/07 09:51 PM
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http://www.sharecg.com/pf/shadow_dancer 

You know what I was going to drop this and still want to but if you think nudity is not close to [censored] check in this gallery if it is okay then you have a major problem, because  half of the images posted are pure [censored]. Even one of herself

And why is it okay to have censored animations but not in other area's as you said in the animation forum P.O.R.N. is not a bad word yet take a look at some of these and try telling people this is NOT PURE [censored]. 

Check it out  fight amongest yourselves I'm finished with this whole situation strange though most who say it is okay are men.  WONDER WHY?

not really could care less what you do or what this site does if this site can't take an honorable suggestion then they don't need half the people here.

Admin close this thread please

 

 



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classylady
(Stranger)
10/21/07 10:09 PM
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no one said nudity is evil accept in your own mind

 

give it up enough is enough



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Kimber89
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10/22/07 12:47 AM
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"Whatever is said about nudity, nobody seems to know a good reason why a nudity flag is need. I mean: A real reason why artistic nudity is bad. This bushwa about a few companies with eccentric morality isn't a reason.

We don't talk about BDSM or whatever (can't believe that this is mentioned while talking about simple innocent nudity). "

Good Reasons for Nudity Fliters:

#1: People at work can browse this site without getting into hot water with the boss. Equals more hits for members.

#2: Attracting better advertisers that do not wish to associate their products with erotic/p.0.r.n loaded imagery. Public opinion is a powerful thing, companies will drop any controversial issues like a hot potato.

#3: Prevention from possible lawsuits from morality groups. You know someone will do it, just a matter of time........

#4: Just to tick you off (should be number 1).

Artisitic nudity and gratuitous nudity are two different things. The reason I mentioned the harness was because that person did the right thing in regards to covering the models while still showcasing his harness, the other person mentioned in the first post didn't and he should have. Was he showcasing a skin texture? No, a piece of clothing that nudity was not required for. That's the difference.

If you're offering a headdress or a pair of shorts, I shouldn't have to see bare breasts in the promo and neither should anyone else. :/





BeckG
(Stranger)
12/22/07 06:25 AM
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Hello everyone,

I just wrote Jalex417 asking what they consider inappropriate since there is no real clear definition. He directed to me to this forum and to post some of the tubes I had planned on uploading. I have read the post and see everyones points. In my home artistic nudity is accepted and my kids understand what it is, p.o.r.n. however is not. Its fine line bewteen the two sometimes and what we may think is acceptable may not be to others so I propose this, why dont we when loading up nudity just slap a small piece of strategically placed tape and let the downloaders know the tube/package does contain nudity but as a safe guard she/he has been coverd for "other" eyes that may be around. This way we get to continue creating our fetish,pinup,nudes material and everyone (most anyway) is satisfied and small eyes or eyes that do not find such things acceptable will not see questionable material.Below is a pinup tube I made, altho' her breasts arent really exposed they are suggestive so I put something to cover the cleavage,simple yet effective. I would like to give my suggestive tubes away to people, there is a market for this stuff, being a tagger for so many years pinups are the biggest part of tagging for most not to mention creepy and fetish. So maybe if the few of us who have concerns about this topic post but with reservation i.e tape maybe more will follow suit. Thats about it. Have a great day everyone!

Beck

 

 





Panthia
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12/22/07 11:00 AM
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Thats the same thing we do in my tube group. 

 My kids are used to seeing me work on things prior to putting clothing on them.  My youngest just goes aw god moms playing with naked people again!

 





brainstew
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12/27/07 06:09 PM
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I've just stumbled upon this thread and I don't want really want to join the discussion.

No offense, but it just struck me as particularly ironic that while artistic nudity and bourgois morality is being discussed on the basis of an Aiko3 promo image where the depicted model - at best - looks like an ugly plastic toy, there was an ad at the end of the first page of postings that said "Browse Filipina Galleries"... No, it's not really a P*o*r*n site, it's just an Asian meat ... uhm... meet market ... uhm... "dating site".

Excuse me for interrupting. Please, do carry on...

brainstew






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