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dadchamp
(Journeyman)
01/06/08 07:59 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: Kimber89]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

I know your not Kimber  (hugs and kisses) but nothing that is implemented is going to satisfy everyone or be perfect. Limits are going to have to placed and enforced. That's also why I beleive the limit of how many 'payable' items a person can have at any one time would also help solve the problem. There are going to be people who will try to cheat the system no matter what. The best you can do is limit the ways they can try. Logged in to download is another thing that should be considered if the payables is shifted to download count. But the problem with this is it removes the pay-per-views on images and videos. Is this something we want to consider too?

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Kimber89
(Newbie)
01/06/08 08:03 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: Stepdad]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

"the paypal email address is probably the best overall verification you can get, just have the site track those who have been rejected or terminated based on paypal email addressess and not allow people to keep signing up for the second tier under mulitple accounts that way." -Stepdad

Umm, I have two very different email addresses for the same paypal account. Simple enough to remove a current email addy & replace it with another valid address.





Stepdad
(Stranger)
01/06/08 08:10 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: Kimber89]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

True enough, don't use paypal much anymore so I'd forgotten about that particular feature, but again the "verification" really doesn't have to be 100% perfect, just enough to discourage the scriptkiddies and scammers a bit to cut down on the workload for the quality reviewers.

The real first line of is the reviewers themselves, the second line is the ability for people on the site to report people who are abusing the system to the reviewers for immediate action.

With that system in place it really doesn't do them much good to change ID's every 10 minutes, they still can't get any revenue unless the upload an acceptable quality product. 

Since the scammers can't maintain that standard, they won't stay in the second tier long enough to be eligible for a payout, assuming you still keep the payments on a once a month.

If you lose your status as a revenue sharer, you forfiet all your claims on any portion of that revenue.  The scammers can't upload tons of crap and generate tons of clicks for it anymore, doing so is obvious to the rest of the site members and they'll get reported in a heartbeat.

 

 





Stepdad
(Stranger)
01/06/08 08:15 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: Goldenthrush]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

I like the idea of a reminder screen for comments and reviews, that's a great idea. 

As far as basing any sort of QC process on a review and comments system though, I don't think that would work well for quite a few reasons.  First in order to have any value at all you'd have to know who is leaving the comments and reviews.

If the scammers can put poor reviews on good quality products to make theirs look better, and do so anonymously, you bet they will - which pretty much kills that form of QC real quick.  Without knowing for certain who is reviewing the product and why they are giving it a good or bad review it's pretty hard to judge the review's fairness and accuracy.

 





Kimber89
(Newbie)
01/06/08 08:15 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: dadchamp]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Yeah, I know David *HUGS*. The way it is though if based on views, since as of right now, I can view my own crap & that view counts either logged in or not.

Somehow in trying to prevent the cheats, the good ones get punished instead.

To me, videos & artworks are different than content (as in things other people can use as opposed to look at). I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to set up a per-download-payout for content & a per-view-payout for videos/images but then I would have no programming input for that. I leave programming to my older brother. 





Stepdad
(Stranger)
01/06/08 08:21 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: Kimber89]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

Problem is I can fake a download as easly as I can fake a page view - really all it is just another click that can be automated.

You might be able to implement a system like yahoo or some other sites use to prevent bots - basically it's an image file generated on the fly that requires you to type in security code.

The drawback though is that doing this one or twice is not so cumbersome, but if your downloading quite a few models this is going to get really old, really fast.

 





adp__
(Journeyman)
01/06/08 08:22 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: Stepdad]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

True, dial up users do get a new ip address daily, but how many dialup users are there out there?

Don't know how this is handled in other parts of the world - here in Europe most people get a new IP every day. A connection is interrupted by providers at least once a day. Even DSL-users online round around the clock are called "Dial-Up users". So we're talking about 100 million dial-up users alone in Europe, I guess.

The "second thier" model is a nice one, IMHO. Didn't say anything other. How to implement something like this should be discussed in details from persons directly involved and with enough background knowledge. 

 





Stepdad
(Stranger)
01/06/08 08:27 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: adp__]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

I think the two tiered system would work, provided the QC folks would stay on top of things and respond promptly.

Shouldn't be a problem really, get a good group of 5-10 people to start with and things should go fairly quickly as far as the QC process is concerned.  Since your not reviewing all the models on the site, only one or possibly two submissions when an artist requests access to the second tier, this will keep the workload down considerably.

Then all you'd have to do is just police the site a bit and respond to any reports of possible scammers on the second tier, once a scammer is caught they loose any right to any revenue the might have made from all those phony clicks anyway.

Once word gets around the scammers will look elsewhere for an easier target, and all that will be left are the honest model makers.

 





adp__
(Journeyman)
01/06/08 08:40 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: Stepdad]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

The drawback though is that doing this one or twice is not so cumbersome, but if your downloading quite a few models this is going to get really old, really fast.

 If a session-id is provided the user has to identify once (entering the code). Then he may download as many as he can. If this isn't enough, identification may expire after some downloads. Similar as with a password protected site. Same concept as with "serious" porno pay sites. This guys know how something like this works :)





Stepdad
(Stranger)
01/06/08 09:21 PM
Re: Here's a thought ... new [re: adp__]Report this article as Inappropriate to us !!!Login to Reply

But if a session id is provided ala php (done some php programming myself) all you have to do is enter the code once on the first download, then setup your bot, and viola - tons of bogus downloads.  Once the session id is provided it remains until it's scheduled to time out or as long as the bot stays online generating hits.

So you either have to ask for anti bot verification every time, or at random intervals, but the intervals have to be short enough that they become annoying to the average user or a bot could very easily generate hundreds of phony downloads before it is stopped.

 






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